Friday 28 February 2014

Mentally Unfit To Be Tried In Criminal Court

28 February 2014 Last updated at 02:59

Broadmoor Hospital: Inside a Victorian 'lunatic asylum'

"It is 150 years since Broadmoor Hospital opened its doors to patients of both sexes who were deemed mentally unfit to be tried in criminal courts. Now a new hospital is being built next door, with plans to redevelop some of the original Victorian buildings.

Take a look back at what life in the Berkshire hospital used to be like - and see what the future holds - with archivist Mark Stevens the author of Broadmoor Revealed, and Broadmoor's clinical director Dr Kevin Murray."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26335033

Do Little If Anything To Deter Sex Crimes And Could Actually Lead To An Increase In Offences

02/28/2014

Proposed sex-offender registry will not deter crime, criminal lawyer warns

"They say it's for child sex offenders but we can guarantee you it will not just be those offenders, it will be all ex-offenders.

The Conservative government’s plan to create a publicly-accessible database of child sex offenders will do little if anything to deter sex crimes and could actually lead to an increase in offences, an Ottawa-based defence lawyer warns.

Michael Spratt, who has testified at numerous parliamentary committees on criminal legislation, says the sex registry is being sold as a way to protect children and assist parents, but it is nothing more than “false advertising.”

The Conservative government’s legislation, introduced Wednesday, would create a publicly-accessible database of high-risk child sex offenders. It would also require registered sex offenders to provide more information when they travel abroad and permit more sharing of information between federal agencies.

“Online registries, they’re seductive, they sound like a good idea and they’re easy to sell to the public and they’re an easy position to advertise,” Spratt told CTV’s Canada AM on Friday.

“But if you look at the criminological evidence that has dealt with public registries … that evidence has found that there isn’t a reduce in offence because of the registry, there isn’t a detection in crime because of the registry.”

Spratt says that some studies have actually found that public registries make reintegration of an offender back into society, increasing the chances of a person reoffending.

Spratt, who runs a legal blog, turns to several studies that show what he calls are flaws with registries.

One study that looked at New York’s Sex Offender Registration and Notification Law concluded the registry had little to no impact on reducing sex crimes because most offences are committed by those who have not previously been convicted of one."

http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/canada-proposed-sex-offender-registry.html#.UxDC0s7dyuM

http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca/proposed-sex-offender-registry-will-not-deter-crime-criminal-lawyer-warns-1.1708077

Thursday, February 27, 2014

CANADA - Public child sex offender database planned

http://sexoffenderissues.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/canada-public-child-sex-offender.html#.UxDGHc7dyuM

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/954602/public-child-sex-offender-database-planned

Thursday 27 February 2014

Hahahahaha - Better Late Than Never, Murdoch !!!

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Last Updated: 28th February 2014

Labour chiefs: It’s OK to have sex with 10-yr-olds

"Sun exposes full horror of paedophile plan."

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5475224/labour-chief-patricia-hewitt-sorry-for-backing-paedo-plan.html

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28 February 2014

Hewitt apologises over PIE links 

"An NCCL press release published in March 1976 with only Ms Hewitt's name on it called for both the age of consent to be lowered to 10 and for incest to be legalised, according to The Sun.

The document, the newspaper claims, says: "NCCL proposes that the age of consent should be lowered to 14, with special provision for situations where the partners are close in age, or where consent of a child over ten can be proved."

Referring to an NCCL report on reforming sex laws, it reportedly says: "The report argues that the crime of incest should be abolished. It says, 'In our view, no benefit accrues to anyone by making incest a crime when committed between mutually consenting persons over the age of consent'."

The Sun also claimed to have seen minutes of an NCCL executive committee meeting in London in January 1976 which proposed reforms saying that a person under the age of 10 in a sexual relationship is incapable of giving consent.

But, the minutes said, if a sexual partner is over 10 and under 14, while there is a "rebuttable presumption" that no consent was given, a defendant "should have to prove that the child consented and understood the nature of the act to which consent was given".

Ms Hewitt, a former health secretary, acknowledged that it had been NCCL policy to cut the age of consent - although she said the proposal to do so had not been hers.

"I do not support reducing the age of consent or legalising incest," Ms Hewitt said. "As the NCCL archives demonstrate, I consistently distinguished between consenting relationships between homosexual men, on the one hand, and the abuse of children on the other.""

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/hewitt-apologises-over-pie-links-30049478.html

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Friday 28 February 2014 

PIE controversy: Hewitt 'Backed age of consent as low as 10'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pie-controversy-shadow-police-minister-jack-dromey-denies-supporting-call-for-age-of-consent-to-be-lowered-to-10-9160362.html

PUBLISHED: 19:16, 27 February 2014 | UPDATED: 13:09, 28 February 2014

Explosive new evidence links Patricia Hewitt to paedophile group's calls for age of consent to be lowered to just 10 and that incest should not be a crime

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2569570/Patricia-Hewitt-breaks-silence-groups-links-National-Council-Civil-Liberties-boss.html

Friday 28 February 2014 09.52 GMT

Harriet Harman should never have been the target of this non-debate 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/28/harriet-harman-non-debate-pie-nccl?CMP=twt_gu

This article originally appeared in T&S Issue 33, Summer 1996

Weasel Words: Paedophiles and the Cycle of Abuse

http://www.troubleandstrife.org/articles/issue-33/weasel-words-paedophiles-and-the-cycle-of-abuse/

28:2:14: about 5 hours ago

Patricia Hewitt 'called for age of consent to be lowered to 10'

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-02-27/patricia-hewitt-apologises-over-paedophile-group

10:10am UK, Friday 28 February 2014 

Hewitt 'Backed Age Of Consent As Low As 10' 

http://news.sky.com/story/1218818/hewitt-backed-age-of-consent-as-low-as-10

Friday 28 February 2014 20.00 GMT

Patricia Hewitt backed NCCL policy of lowering age of consent 

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/28/patricia-hewitt-age-of-consent
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Last updated: February 28th, 2014

NCCL paedophilia scandal: Harriet Harman and Jack Dromey will have to resign
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100261647/nccl-paedophilia-scandal-harriet-harman-and-jack-dromey-will-have-to-resign

Mar 01, 2014 12:01

Ex-health secretary Patricia Hewitt DID 'back plan to lower age of consent to 14 and 10'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ex-health-secretary-patricia-hewitt-back-3194538

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Wednesday 18 June 2014 13.49 BST

The report exonerating Lord Justice Fulford should be published

http://www.theguardian.com/law/2014/jun/18/report-lord-justice-fulford-published

Update 18 June

Lord Justice Fulford

http://judicialconduct.judiciary.gov.uk/latest-news.htm

Wednesday 26 February 2014

Want To Know What The Situation Was, When It Was PIE - Now It Is Us?

Preludes ...

This Is Guy Adams - He Loves Old 'News' About 'Paedophiles' 

http://therealosc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/this-is-guy-adams-he-loves-old-news.html

Hahahahaha - Better Late Than Never, Murdoch !!! 

http://therealosc.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/hahahahaha-better-late-than-never.html
 
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See Professor Gostin, WHO (4:20)... not correct, on all issues, but, almost ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL5LZwox2Eg&feature=youtu.be

Originally, Newsnight - 25/02/2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03wtcx4/Newsnight_25_02_2014

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Still wriggling, after all these years ... back-stabbing, unprincipled, hypocrite ...

27 February 2014 Last updated at 19:18

Patricia Hewitt 'sorry' for paedophile stance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26376896

PUBLISHED: 19:16, 27 February 2014 | UPDATED: 19:19, 27 February 2014

BREAKING NEWS: 'I got it wrong on Paedophile Information Exchange': Patricia Hewitt finally apologises over group's links to National Council for Civil Liberties when she was its boss

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2569570/Patricia-Hewitt-breaks-silence-groups-links-National-Council-Civil-Liberties-boss.html

Thursday 27 February 2014 19.35 GMT

Patricia Hewitt takes responsibility for mistakes over paedophile campaign

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/27/patricia-hewitt-paedophile-information-exchange?CMP=twt_fd

Last updated Thu 27 Feb 2014

Hewitt defends Harman over liberty group's links to PIE

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-02-27/hewitt-defends-harman-over-liberty-groups-links-to-pie/

PUBLISHED: 10:45, 27 February 2014 | UPDATED: 10:45, 27 February 2014 

Letters between Patricia Hewitt and PIE reveal that child sex lobbyists 'tried to influence civil liberties group NCCL'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568985/PIE-tried-influence-civil-liberties-group-NCCL.html

Feb 27, 2014 21:23 

Patricia Hewitt breaks silence to apologise over her links to pro-paedophile group in the '70s

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/patricia-hewitt-breaks-silence-apologise-3190510

27 February 2014 UK

Coogan: Daily Mail should apologise for past mistakes too

http://www.channel4.com/news/coogan-daily-mail-should-apologise-for-past-mistakes-too

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No mistakes, at all ...


The Times, 18th January 1975

Albany Trust  http://www.albanytrust.org
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Question Time (27/2/14) - Yawn ...
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Question Time on paedophilia


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZSUQUKDxNA

QT: 27/02/2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03wy4hx

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Thursday 20 February 2014

This Is Guy Adams - He Loves Old 'News' About 'Paedophiles'

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Firstly, The Historical Truth ...



Daily Mail, 2nd September 1983

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Then poor, young, Guy stumbles (or is pushed) in ...

 

Guy Adams - On occasion, so little need be said

Guy Adams @guyadams


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Not all bad, though ... Guy has, gormlessly, collected some more, very useful materials, for us ;)

Guy Adams, just another stupid, spineless kid, who will, eventually, pass through the shit-stained tabloid S-bend, of the water closet of time.

Plop.

The OSC.

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PUBLISHED: 23:20, 20 February 2014 | UPDATED: 04:53, 21 February 2014

Surprise, surprise, the BBC has ignored our expose [sic] of Labour's [sic] links to a child sex scandal [sic]. QUENTIN LETTS imagines its reaction if those involved were Tory

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2564334/QUENTIN-LETTS-From-Today-Newsnight-Beebs-frenzy-Can-evil-Tories-survive-scandal.html

PUBLISHED: 01:03, 21 February 2014 | UPDATED: 01:03, 21 February 2014

How can Harriet call herself a feminist after this? 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564409/JAN-MOIR-How-Harriet-call-feminist-this.html

PUBLISHED: 00:25, 21 February 2014 | UPDATED: 00:27, 21 February 2014

Inexcusable: Leading abuse charity [sic] demands [really?] apology from Labour trio with links to vile [sic] paedophile [sic] group

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564397/Inexcusable-Leading-abuse-charity-demands-apology-Labour-trio-links-vile-paedophile-group.html

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Quentin Letts, Jan Moir and NAPAC - say no more 

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Now, they attempt to bring in other old, establishment, guard and professional victims, to try to polish a turd ...

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8:40PM GMT 21 Feb 2014

The 'right’ to sleep with children was one 'civil liberty’ that NCCL supported

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10653944/The-right-to-sleep-with-children-was-one-civil-liberty-that-NCCL-supported.html

8:50PM GMT 21 Feb 2014

'We on the Left lacked the courage to be branded 'homophobic’, so we just ignored it. I wish I hadn’t' 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/10653950/We-on-the-Left-lacked-the-courage-to-be-branded-homophobic-so-we-just-ignored-it.-I-wish-I-hadnt.html

PUBLISHED: 02:18, 22 February 2014 | UPDATED: 13:19, 22 February 2014

Apologists for paedophilia [sic]: As the Mail exposes more links between senior Labour figures and a vile paedophile group [sic], one man who was abused as a child asks them: why won't you admit you were wrong?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565352/Apologists-paedophilia-As-Mail-exposes-links-senior-Labour-figures-vile-paedophile-group-one-man-abused-child-asks-wont-admit-wrong.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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PUBLISHED: 02:18, 22 February 2014 | UPDATED: 13:19, 22 February 2014

Apologists for paedophilia [sic]: As the Mail exposes more links between senior Labour figures and a vile paedophile group [sic], one man who was abused as a child asks them: why won't you admit you were wrong?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565352/Apologists-paedophilia-As-Mail-exposes-links-senior-Labour-figures-vile-paedophile-group-one-man-abused-child-asks-wont-admit-wrong.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

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Sunday 23 February 2014

Labour trio can't stay silent on this paedophile claim

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/23/harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt-pie-nccl-paedophile-claims


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Feb 22, 2014 20:00

Senior Labour figures have serious questions to answer about past links to vile paedophile support group

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-labours-harriet-harman-3174026

Published: 23 February 2014 

Tell us more about your paedophile chums, Harriet 

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/rodliddle/article1378585.ece

PUBLISHED: 23:24, 19 February 2014 | UPDATED: 00:25, 20 February 2014

Now say sorry! Ex-Yard chief calls on Labour trio to admit backing paedophilia [sic] was a 'huge mistake'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2563377/Now-say-sorry-Ex-Yard-chief-calls-Labour-trio-admit-backing-paedophilia-huge-mistake.html

PUBLISHED: 23:19, 23 February 2014 | UPDATED: 23:50, 23 February 2014

How much longer can paedophilia apologists [?] stay silent? Even Left demands answers from senior Labour trio over links to child sex group

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2566273/How-longer-paedophilia-apologists-stay-silent-Even-Left-demands-answers-senior-Labour-trio.html

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Friday, 21 February, 2014

A dam smart way to divert attention

"PS: Briefly, as I have a plane to catch, I guess I should mention a rather less interesting propaganda issue than the Itaipu dam film. The Daily Mail has emailed me several times in the last few days asking for a comment on their latest misleading crap about supposed Labour government support for PIE in the 1970s.

I see no point in responding, as anything I say would merely serve as another angle to keep the story going.

Not that they need my help. They have already run the story in various versions before, and will no doubt do so again at the slightest excuse, whether they have anything new to say or not. They know what keeps their punters happy, so they cannot be accused of incompetence in terms of generating sales. However, so far as this particular repetitious saga is concerned they are beginning to resemble the Daily Express, which constantly recycles a handful of stories (death of Princess Diana, disappeared toddler Madeleine McCann, miracle cure for arthritis, stormy weather ahead) to its elderly readership, who are presumably so far gone in senility they cannot remember they read the same thing only a few days before.

The Mail can take the downmarket Express route if they wish. It may be successful in sales terms, but it is hardly a recipe for respected journalism."

http://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/a-dam-smart-way-to-divert-attention

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Oh, but no, the mindless, conspiracy-dribbling and knuckle-dragging, does not stop there ...

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Published on Feb 19, 2014 

Meet the Pedo Supporting British MP's Sex With 4 Yr old Babies !!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb6Cfj6IXE4

Published on Feb 19, 2014 

UK Column Live - 19th February 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqGRTrZeemA&feature=c4-overview&list=UUr_dQZ0irQdRiwVatkuHPcA

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24 February 2014 Last updated at 17:30

Harriet Harman condemns paper's 'smear campaign'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26320942

Monday 24 February 2014 16.58 GMT

Ed Miliband rejects claims of Labour trio's links to paedophile campaign

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/24/ed-miliband-labour-links-paedophile-information-exchange?CMP=twt_fd

Friday, 21 February 2014

PIE - Questions that need answering

http://jerseyric.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/pie-questions-that-need-answering.html

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24/02/2014

NCCL Statement

"In recent days I have been the subject of a politically-motivated smear campaign by the Daily Mail.

They have accused me of being an apologist for child sex abuse, of supporting a vile paedophile organisation, of having a relaxed attitude to paedophilia and of watering down child pornography laws. These are horrific allegations and I strongly deny them all of them.

This is not the first time the Daily Mail has made this horrible and untrue allegation. And, this is not the first time the Daily Mail has attacked me. The editor and proprietor of the Daily Mail are entitled to their political views and they are of course entitled to oppose what I stand for but they are not entitled to use their newspaper to smear me with innuendo because they disagree with me politically and hate my values.

I sincerely hope people won't believe these smears - I suspect even the Daily Mail doesn't believe them to be true. But given the seriousness and the aggression with which the Daily Mail are pursuing me, I feel that I need to put the facts in the public domain.

1. Allegation that I supported the lowering of the age of consent to 10

This is not true. I supported the equalisation of the age of consent (as set out in NCCL document “priorities and strategy for the executive committee June 1981") by making the age of consent the same for homosexual as well as for heterosexual sex.

2. Allegation that I opposed the law on incest

This is not true. The document they refer to was written by NCCL in 1976 before I started to work there.

3. Allegation that I was seeking to water down a proposed ban on child pornography.

This is not true. I supported the Protection of Children Bill 1978. At the start of the document it makes clear that “The NCCL deplores the exploitation of children whether in the form of use in commercial pornography or as victims of sexual assaults"

The submission argued for some amendments to guard against unintended consequences including:

- Parents being criminalised for taking pictures of their children on the beach or in the bath

- The use of pictures in sex education being criminalised

- We also proposed that the definition of indecent was too wide and instead proposed "obscene" as indecent was very broadly defined and could include Page 3 of the Sun.

The Mail have tried to make me guilty by way guilt by association.

NCCL was an organisation which anyone could apply to join and indeed any organisation could apply to be "an affiliate" on payment of a fee. When I was at NCCL there were around 6,000 members and nearly 1,000 affiliated organisations of which PIE was one.

Members and affiliates decided the organisation's policy at the AGM from year to year.

I was aware that because NCCL opposed censorship and supported gay rights, paedophiles had sought to exploit that and use NCCL as a vehicle to make their arguments. But by the time I came to work for NCCL this vile organisation had already been vigorously challenged within the organisation. Jack Dromey was instrumental in that challenge when he took over the chair of NCCL in 1976

The reason I decided to go to work for NCCL was because I actively supported the work they had done and in particular the work of their women's rights committee on the Equal Pay Act, on the introduction of the Sex Discrimination Act and for greater protection of victims of domestic violence and against race discrimination.

Since being elected to the House of Commons in 1982 and during my times in Ministerial Office I have always championed the rights of those subjected to sexual abuse - especially women and children.

I hope The Daily Mail will stop this campaign of smear and innuendo against me. I have done nothing wrong and am guilty of none of their grotesque allegations."

http://www.harrietharman.org/nccl-statement---24022014

February 24, 2014 6:35 pm

Harman issues statement on NCCL allegation – says she has been the victim of a “politically-motivated smear campaign”

http://labourlist.org/2014/02/harman-issues-statement-on-nccl-allegation-says-she-has-been-the-victim-of-a-politically-motivated-smear-campaign

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History ..

October 19th, 2012

How Hattie’s friends defended paedophilia [sic]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100261018/harriet-harman-the-nccl-and-paedophilia-my-article-from-2012/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

7:00AM GMT 09 Mar 2009

Harriet Harman under attack over bid to water down child pornography law

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/4949555/Harriet-Harman-under-attack-over-bid-to-water-down-child-pornography-law.html

Nov 11, 2012 09:11

Abuse scandals probe widens: The man who may hold key to UK's biggest paedophile network ever

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-scandal-charles-napier-could-1430365#.UwzZOdpdliQ.twitter

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24/02/2014

Including Harriet Harman on the tabloid paedophile row, Ukraine, and Cameron in Scotland

First broadcast: 24 Feb 2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03wsyqm

25/02/2014

Harman paedophile row and no trial for alleged IRA bomber. With Jeremy Paxman

First broadcast: 25 Feb 2014

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03wtcx4

Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak

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PUBLISHED: 22:41, 24 February 2014 | UPDATED: 08:14, 25 February 2014

But they still won't say sorry: Labour's Harman and Dromey finally break their silence over links to paedophile group

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567054/But-wont-say-sorry-Labours-Harman-Dromey-finally-break-silence-links-paedophile-group.html

PUBLISHED: 23:02, 24 February 2014 | UPDATED: 23:33, 24 February 2014

Not one hint of remorse: Harman and Dromey's statements, and the Mail's replies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567098/Not-one-hint-remorse-Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromeys-statements-Mails-replies.html

PUBLISHED: 01:01, 25 February 2014 | UPDATED: 01:01, 25 February 2014

DAILY MAIL COMMENT: Amid the obfuscation, one word is missing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2567154/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Amid-obfuscation-one-word-missing.html

8:09PM GMT 24 Feb 2014

Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey, Patricia Hewitt and the Paedophile Information Exchange

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10659100/Harriet-Harman-Jack-Dromey-Patricia-Hewitt-and-the-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html

Last updated: February 25th, 2014

Harriet Harman owes the British public a full explanation about the NCCL's links with paedophile group

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100261019/harriet-harman-owes-the-british-public-a-full-explanation-about-the-nccls-links-with-paedophile-group/

25/2/14: 44 minutes ago

Harriet Harman: 'I'm not going to apologise' 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26335330#TWEET1054627

25 February 2014 Last updated at 14:18

Harriet Harman expresses 'regret' after Daily Mail claims 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26333558#TWEET1054659

2:00PM GMT 25 Feb 2014 

Harriet Harman's regret over civil rights body's paedophile group link 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newsvideo/10660306/Harriet-Harmans-regret-over-civil-rights-bodys-paedophile-group-link.html

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Stop the Daily Mail sexualising children

https://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/daily-mail-mailonline-stop-the-daily-mail-sexualising-children

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Wednesday 26 February 2014 19.09 GMT

The fight against the sexualisation of children

http://www.theguardian.com/media/shortcuts/2014/feb/26/fight-against-sexualisation-children



Harriet Harman tweets Daily Mail website picture of girl aged 12 in bikini

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/25/harriet-harman-daily-mail-website-girl-bikini?CMP=twt_gu

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February 25, 2014

LABoraTORY PAEDOPHILIA: Part Two – why the Opposition has nothing much to say on the subject 

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/laboratory-paedophilia-part-two-why-the-opposition-has-nothing-much-to-say-on-the-subject/

3:12pm UK, Tuesday 25 February 2014

Harman Denies Colluding With Paedophile Group

http://news.sky.com/story/1216883/harman-denies-colluding-with-paedophile-group

25 February 2014

How paedophile campaigners targeted civil liberties group 

http://www.channel4.com/news/harriet-harman-pie-nccl-daily-mail-labour

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February 25, 2014 at 08:23AM

Harriet Harman, the NCCL: Smear Or Legitimate Story?

"Iain takes the Daily Mail to task.

One of the most irritating phrases you will ever hear on television is “the BBC has learnt”. You’d think it meant that due to an original piece of journalism, the BBC has found out something nobody else has. Invariably it means the BBC has switched on Sky News.

Sky use a similar technique by using the phrase “Sky sources have told us.” But in each case it gives the broadcaster cover to hype up a story that might otherwise be considered a little pedestrian. And it perverts the news agenda. But this sort of thing happens every day. Take the current furore about Harriet Harman, the Daily Mail, and the NCCL.

Over the last few days both the BBC and Sky have studiously ignored the front pages of the Daily Mail, which has accused Harriet Harman of, well, I’m not totally sure exactly. It seems they think that because she was legal officer to the NCCL she must have somehow sympathised with the aims and objectives of one of its thousands of members, the Paedophile Information Exchange. It’s a ‘guilt by association’ smear which upon any reasonable examination doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. But day after day the Daily Mail demands that Harman, her husband Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt say ‘sorry’. It’s the same kind of tactic they used on Ed Miliband back in September.

Conservatives have up to now attacked the BBC for not even mentioning the issue, understandably believing that if three Tory politicians had been accused of something similar the BBC might not have been so coy. We’ll never know. However, the BBC could defend its position by pointing out that these allegations are nothing new and were first aired back in 2009. That would be a sustainable editorial position.

But yesterday the game changed when Harriet Harman decided to break cover and respond to the allegations by giving the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg an interview. It turned out to be a bad move. Instead of saying that it was a clear mistake for the NCCL to allow the PIE to be an associate member, she prevaricated and appeared a little shifty. Not only that she compounded her error by accusing the Daily Mail of being hypocritical because it publishes pictures of bikini-clad young women on its website. Women, not girls. So instead of closing down the story, it has merely given all other media outlets the excuse to cover it on the basis that if Harriet Harman has spoken about it, it becomes a legitimate story.

Cue BBC overkill. It’s now leading bulletins on the Today Programme and 5 Live. I haven’t seen Sky News yet this morning, so I can’t comment on what they are doing but as it’s the lead story on their website it’s probable that it is leading their bulletins too.

I’ve steered clear of the story on my LBC show, not because of any desire to be politically correct, but because I genuinely don’t see this as a massive story. I see it as a politically-motivated smear by a newspaper which is besmirching its own good name by running it day after day after day.

Does anyone seriously believe Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt have any paedophile sympathies? No, of course not. They worked for a ramshackle organisation which was run in an anarchic way. Just as anyone with dubious views can join a political party, anyone or any organisation with dubious views could join the NCCL. Does anyone seriously think that Harman, a lowly junior legal officer, had the power to expel a member who had legitimately joined? Presumably to do so would have meant changing the NCCL’s constitution. Perhaps she and her husband tried to do that. Who knows? But remember that one of the NCCL’s aims was to promote freedom of speech for everyone, no matter how vile their views.

The biggest mistake Harriet Harman has made was to give that interview to Newsnight. All it succeeded in doing was fanning the story’s flames and giving other media organisations and newspapers to excuse they needed to cover it. Well, that’s all fine and dandy, but the overblown and blanket coverage it is getting is so out of proportion to the lack of coverage it got yesterday, that editors all over the place, but especially the BBC, would do well to examine why they are doing what they are doing. Are they doing this because it is such an important story or because of their collective feeling of guilt that maybe they should have given it some coverage well before today?

When I go into LBC today and we start planning my Drive programme, it will be interesting to see how the story has developed during the day. If I cover it at all – and at the moment my feeling is that I’d rather not – it will be looking at the behaviour of the Daily Mail, more than the behaviour of Harriet Harman. No doubt I will get a shedload of abuse for it, but hey – broad shoulders and all that."

http://www.lbc.co.uk/iain-dales-blog-30195/entry/120/9927

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Feb 25, 2014 17:05

There is a paedophile elephant in the corner of Labour’s living room

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-partys-paedogeddon-theyre-never-3182595#.Uwz4EjrL_3E.twitter

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Tuesday 25 February 2014 16.02 GMT

PIE, the NCCL and Harriet Harman: why she was right not to apologise

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/25/harriet-harman-daily-mail

8:17PM GMT 25 Feb 2014

New evidence casts doubt on Harriet Harman's defence over paedophile links

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10661251/New-evidence-casts-doubt-on-Harriet-Harmans-defence-over-paedophile-links.html

PUBLISHED: 10:55, 26 February 2014 | UPDATED: 11:48, 26 February 2014

Harman and Hewitt 'never tried to kick me out - they didn't want to rock the boat to protect their careers' claims child abuser ex leader of Paedophile Information Exchange

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568232/Harman-Hewitt-never-tried-kick-didnt-want-rock-boat-protect-careers-claims-child-abuser-ex-leader-Paedophile-Information-Exchange.html

9:55AM GMT 26 Feb 2014

'Harman did not want to rock the boat over links to child sex group'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10662047/Harman-did-not-want-to-rock-the-boat-over-links-to-child-sex-group.html

Wednesday, 26 February, 2014

Home Secretary cheated justice by dying!

http://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2014/02/26/home-secretary-cheated-justice-by-dying/

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Tuesday 25 February 2014 20.59 GMT

Harriet Harman demands apology for Daily Mail's paedophile 'smears'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/25/harriet-harman-apology-daily-mail-paedophile-smears?CMP=twt_gu

25 February 2014 20:10

Harriet Harman’s messy war with the Mail

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/02/harriet-harmans-messy-war-with-the-mail/

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The Daily Mail now grasps at ridiculous straws ...

PUBLISHED: 23:43, 24 February 2014 | UPDATED: 23:43, 24 February 2014 

BBC's censorship of paedophilia scandal 'reveals its left-wing bias': Corporation accused of refusing to report story to protect the Labour party 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567110/BBCs-censorship-paedophilia-scandal-reveals-left-wing-bias-Corporation-accused-refusing-report-story-protect-Labour-party.html

PUBLISHED: 23:18, 25 February 2014 | UPDATED: 09:38, 26 February 2014

The child sex attacker and Soviet spy who was in the vile group legitimised by Harman and chums

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567991/The-child-sex-attacker-Soviet-spy-vile-group-legitimised-Harman-chums.html

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26 February 2014 Last updated at 11:43

What is the Harman-Mail row about?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26335569

27 February 2014 Last updated at 13:14

How did the pro-paedophile group PIE exist openly for 10 years?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378
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Wednesday 26 February 2014 

Looking back to the great British paedophile infiltration campaign of the 1970s 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/looking-back-to-the-great-british-paedophile-infiltration-campaign-of-the-1970s-9155610.html
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26/2/14: 2 hours ago

Jowell: Harman 'consistent' in opposition to PIE

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26350517

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Uncle Tom still playing his silly little games ...

PUBLISHED: 23:10, 25 February 2014 | UPDATED: 23:36, 25 February 2014

Labour MP calls for probe into state cash for Paedophile Information Exchange after claims files that prove it received taxpayers' money have been shredded

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2567999/Labour-MP-calls-probe-state-cash-Paedophile-Information-Exchange-claims-files-prove-received-taxpayers-money-shredded.html

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5198/police-poised-to-level-charges-in-paedophile-ring-linked-to-mps

Wednesday 26 February 2014

Labour MP Tom Watson admits he would not have touched paedophile rights group PIE 'with a bargepole' 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-mp-tom-watson-admits-he-would-not-have-touched-paedophile-rights-group-pie-with-a-bargepole-9155518.html
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Feb 25, 2014 19:16

Tories must say sorry for 'covering up child sex abuse' before Harriet Harman has to apologise

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tom-watson-tories-must-apologise-3183049
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Tuesday 25 February 2014 20.22 GMT

Harriet Harman's handling of the Daily Mail 'smear' has been wholly inept

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/25/harriet-harman-daily-mail-smear-inept

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BBC loves PIE @BBCPropaganda

https://twitter.com/BBCPropaganda

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26 February 2014 18.04 GMT

Harriet Harman: 'The Daily Mail should be apologising, not me'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/26/harriet-harman-daily-mail-apologising-paedophilia?CMP=twt_fd

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Wednesday 26 February 2014 23.02 GMT

Harriet Harman rejects claims from paedophile campaigner Tom O'Carroll

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/feb/26/harriet-harman-rejects-claims-from-paedophile-campaigner-tom-ocarroll?CMP=twt_fd

Last updated Wed 26 Feb 2014 

Ex-PIE chair 'confident Harman was aware of situation' 

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-02-26/ex-pie-chair-confident-harman-was-aware-of-situation/

Wednesday 26 February 2014 23.41 GMT 

Lobbying by paedophile campaign revealed 

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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/26/lobbying-paedophile-campaign-revealed-hewitt

PUBLISHED: 23:32, 26 February 2014 | UPDATED: 00:08, 27 February 2014

Harman's pressure group advertised for members in magazine for paedophiles: New evidence links NCCL to PIE while Harriet was legal chief

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2568850/Harmans-pressure-group-advertised-members-magazine-paedophiles-New-evidence-links-NCCL-PIE-Harriet-legal-chief.html

Last updated: February 27th, 2014 

The Harriet Harman 'paedophilia' scandal is a disaster of Labour's own making

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100261439/the-harriet-harman-paedophilia-scandal-is-a-disaster-of-labours-own-making/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10663580/Patricia-Hewitts-civil-rights-campaign-offered-legal-advice-to-adults-who-have-sex-with-14-year-olds.html

1 March 2014

What’s happened to Harriet Harman?

http://www.spectator.co.uk/life/status-anxiety/9148051/toby-young-whats-happened-to-harriet-harman/

Wednesday 26 February 2014 23.41 GMT

Lobbying by paedophile campaign revealed

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/26/lobbying-paedophile-campaign-revealed-hewitt

PUBLISHED: 01:36, 27 February 2014 | UPDATED: 01:36, 27 February 2014

STEPHEN GLOVER: The Left argue that a sexual free-for-all in the 70s explains their tolerance of child sex abusers. What twisted bunkum

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2568920/STEPHEN-GLOVER-The-Left-argue-sexual-free-70s-explains-tolerance-child-sex-abusers-What-twisted-bunkum.html

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27/02/2014 

World at One 

"A good deal of sympathy for your objectives"

Duration: 09:06

"Shaun Ley reports on the efforts of the Paedophile Information Exchange to gain support from politicians and links between PIE and the National Council of Civil Liberties."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01t01rb

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Vol. 2 No. 23: 4 December 1980

Young Love

"Paedophilia: The Radical Case by Tom O’Carroll Peter Owen, 280 pp, £14.95, October 1980, ISBN 0 7206 0546 6"

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v02/n23/mary-kay-wilmers/young-love

Sunday 16 February 2014

10/2/14 - Time For A Few Home Truths - An Opportunity, So As, To 'Educate Yourself' - Part 2 - Better To Walk Away And Let Natural Selection Play Its Part?

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Eve Thomas @EveThomas40

https://twitter.com/EveThomas40

Shy Keenan @ShyKeenan

https://twitter.com/ShyKeenan

The Phoenix Post @ThePhoenixPost

https://twitter.com/ThePhoenixPost

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Saturday 15 February 2014

Statement about suspension of ‘Mental Health Cop’ Twitter account

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/latest-news/news.aspx?id=333

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When one is a professional, and has taught adults and minors, for most of one's working life, formally and informally, one learns, that people can be the following ...

Those with the lower, unchangeable, cognitive abilities - The 'Stupid',
Those with the higher, unchangeable, cognitive abilities - The 'Clever',
Those in-between.

Those who hate-blindly - The 'Bigot', The 'Ignorant',
Those who hate, for some, evidenced, reason - The 'Victim',
Those in-between.

Of course, it is much easier to like, and make friendships with, some of these, than others - but, all can have an edifying and positive contribution (if tiny), to one's development, spirit and wisdom.

The problems arise, when people come in certain combinations and in certain environments.

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More to follow.