Let us consider the ethical position, of Ms Payne and Ms Keenan .....
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Paedophilia (more recently, 'Paedophilic Disorder'), is an recognised mental disorder, under
These pieces confirm, the incorporation of this condition, within the Mental Health Act 2007 and the Equality Act 2010.
Paedophilia is a clinical condition, only able to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist and no one else.
Very few of those who have to register under the requirements of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 are Paedophiles and those that are, are to be supported and assisted, not ridiculed.
However, Ms Payne, Ms Keenan and their supporters seem to think otherwise, and it is in direct conflict with their ethical position ...
It is such insensitive, prejudicial and ignorant behavior, which the OSC challenges, day-by-day.
One would not make fun of anyone with any other mental health condition, but these people seem happy to do so.
This is unacceptable in 2012.
From Scientific Experts
"People do not choose to be attracted to children or adults any more than they choose to be attracted to males or females.Not all pedophiles are child molesters (or vice versa). Child molesters are defined by their acts; pedophiles are defined by their desires. There are pedophiles and hebephiles who never act on their sexual attraction towards children. They cannot be blamed for what they feel, and they should be supported for the constant self-restraint they must exercise in order to behave ethically."
Dr. Ray Blanchard, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto; Former Head of Clinical Sexology Services in the Law and Mental Health Program of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; Served on the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV and on the DSM-5's Work Group on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders.
"My heart goes out to people to whom nature has given something as powerful and as distracting as a sex drive and no healthy way to express it. Pedophiles are not the only folks in this position, but they are by far the most demonized, regardless of whether they have ever actually caused anyone any kind of harm. There is no known way of turning a pedophile into a nonpedophile. The best we can do is help a person maximize their self-control and to help them build an otherwise happy and productive life."
Dr. James Cantor, Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry of the University of Toronto's Faculty of Medicine, Head of the Law and Mental Health Research Section of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; editor-in-chief of Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment, and a member of the editorial boards of the Journal of Sexual Aggression, The Journal of Sex Research, and Archives of Sexual Behavior.
"We should acknowledge the existence of "good pedophiles," people like you, KIW, who are burdened with a sexual interest in children but who possess the moral sense to resist acting on that interest. It's a lifelong struggle for "good pedophiles," and most manage to succeed without any emotional support—to say nothing of credit—whatsoever."
Dan Savage, author of internationally syndicated relationship and sex advice column Savage Love, in response to letter written by KIW.
"From clinical experience through the German Prevention Project Dunkelfeld (PPD), running since 2005, it is known that there are pedophilic and hebephilic men willing to take on the responsibility for their sexual preference in such manner that they are prepared to go to great lengths in order to prevent child sexual victimization through sexual contacts or the use of child abusive images. According to these experiences it is time to establish this approach in other countries providing therapy for these men to deal with their sexual preference in a way that enables them to develop strategies for the prevention for sexual assault—hands on and on the internet."
Klaus M. Beier, MD, PhD, Professor, Director of Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine, Charite Center for Health and Human Sciences, Charite University Medicine Berlin
"I used to think that almost all pedophiles were destined to molest children, but I've changed my mind. A growing body of research conducted by leading scientists shows that a large proportion of pedophiliac men — maybe a majority—have never touched a child sexually. I have for years felt sympathy for pedophiles and thought that society should do better by them. Such men never choose to be attracted to children or adolescents. They have a burden that most of us do not have, and they should be helped more and demonized less. I used to think that help would likely entail biological treatments, including chemical or surgical castration. Now I think help beyond the biochemical option is vital. Many can resist their urges without it, and we ought to make it easier for them to do the right thing. Making them feel that they are worthless and despised can only make it more difficult for them."
Michael Bailey, Professor, Department of Psychology, Northwestern University
Sunday, August 26, 2012
Pedophilia may not be a life choice
"If this science pans out, it means some people are born with a sex drive they must fight their entire lives, through no fault of their own. Imagine being a straight man, for example, and being told your attraction to women is immoral and cannot be acted upon. It must be horrible. And little help is available because laws require therapists and doctors to report anyone they believe poses a threat to children."
Sep 07, 2012 02:45 PM EDT
The Science of Pedophilia: Is It a Sexual Orientation?
"If pedophilia is a sexual orientation, researchers say, no amount of therapy or prison time will help.
On Valentine's Day last year, the Parliament of Canada's Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights held a session in which MPs debated whether they should institute mandatory sentencing laws against sex offenders of two years.
Lolita, originally a novel by Vladimir Nabokov, depicted Humbert Humbert's involvement with his 12-year-old stepdaughter Dolores, who he nicknames Lolita.
There to speak were Dr. Vernon Quinsey, then from Queens University, and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, a retiree from the University of Montreal. Naturally, the subject of therapy entered the discussion, to which Van Gijseghem said,
"When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory. For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small [offense] from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation.""
Sep 7, 2012 10:30 AM
Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children
"The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they're also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he'd embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles."
Pedophilia Is Normal, Because Otherwise It's Abnormal
What Science Reveals About Pedophilia
Masking hegemonic masculinity: reconstructing the paedophile as the dangerous stranger
Scientists find brain differences in pedophiles
Paedophiles could be 'spotted and cured' through MRI scans to detect brain abnormalities and low IQs
Can Science Spot a Pedophile? Research Zeroes In On Brain Abnormalities
Published November 28, 2012
No one is born a pedophile
"A recent article on Gawker.com by Cord Jefferson suggests that we could be a more just and healing society were we to consider pedophilia a sexual orientation, rather than simply a crime. He suggests that pedophiles are born with this orientation, just as men might be born with the inherent potential to develop an attraction to adult females, or vice-versa."
I think that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, just like being gay or straight is.
Monday, Jan. 13, 2003
"A psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia merely indicates one's desires; not all pedophiles act on their urges and actually commit child sexual abuse. Plenty of sexual abuse of kids is committed by ordinary people not generally attracted to children. That's one reason the incidence of child sexual abuse is so maddeningly high."
Not saying UK pro-paedo pol party or legal protection under the disability act currently exists, I'm showing you #OSC #PIE working at it(Embedded Tweet - click date)
— Shy Keenan (@ShyKeenan) December 29, 2013
January 17, 2014
'Friend to the Martyr, a Friend to the Woman of Shame': Thinking About the Law, Shame and Humiliation
This paper considers the intersection between law, humiliation and shame, and how the law has the capacity to allow for, to encourage, or (in some cases) to remediate humiliation, or humiliating or shaming behavior. The need for new attention to be paid to this question has increased exponentially as we begin to also take more seriously international human rights mandates, especially – although certainly not exclusively – in the context of the recently-ratified United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a Convention that calls for “respect for inherent dignity,” and characterizes "discrimination against any person on the basis of disability [as] a violation of the inherent dignity and worth of the human person.
humiliation, shame, dignity, therapeutic jurisprudence, Scarlet letters, persons with mental disabilities, elders, sex offenders, international human rights law"
@XenoPoesis @awomaninwinter The contradiction in my 1st tweet.. The quotes = incompatible & 'paedophile' warps public understanding/response(Embedded Tweet - click date)
— Craig Harper (@CraigHarper19) January 13, 2014
I’m Afraid I’m Might Have Pedophilia
Friday, March 14, 2014
Can paedophilia [sic] ever be cured?
"Daniel Morcombe, who was murdered by convicted child sex offender Brett Peter Cowan".