Friday, 20 April 2012
In The Public Interest?
Dr Oldfield informs us, that he has taken advice from his PPU, to have a wireless panic alarm fitted, in the next few hours, due to the outrageous, false and dangerous action of The Sun.
More Evidence For The Mission
The Words
"The Phoenix Post
about an hour ago
We have reported this harassment to the police, google and facebook, they have not responded to us or taken any action to protect us from it. This convicted sex offender has always targeted Shy and I, but now he's blatantly targeting all those who follow and support us. I'm sure the intent is to isolate us and scare you away, but whatever the intent, we felt we had to tell you and let you decide how we should proceed. Should we stay or should we close?"
*****
Comment:
Not at all, please stay open.
Our intention is to share your public words and tactics, as widely as possible.
Legal, honest, free, speech is a good thing, perhaps you and Mr France should practise it, 100%.
*****
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13 people like this.
Jan Alexander What ever you do never give up! 2 hours ago · Like · 5
Denise Jones please stay. 2 hours ago · Like · 5
Allison Bradford Stay most defiantly , we are behind you , u need to stand up to bullies xx 2 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Minnie Knowles Stay!! Stand up and fights!!! X about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Lisa Clarke Was Whitehall definitely stay, cannot let "people" like that win. about an hour ago · Like · 3
Lorraine Orange They are sick idiots with way too much time on their hands. Stay! X about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Mandy Francis stay stay stay! would never give them the luxury of scaring me! about an hour ago · Like · 2
Louise Lightbody Deakin Stay, they wont win this time x about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 4
Sarah Mcgeachy Stay, if you close now they win and there's no way we will let that happen xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Laura Spirelass Batterham Stay.. if you close they win.. there r a lot more supporters than their r these pathetic excuses for existence.. stay !!!xxx about an hour ago · Like · 3
Jo-anne Rose As all of the above STAY! Why on earth would we want you to go and let them win again. They have taken enough. They cant and wont have any more. xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Sarah Taylor Fox Walking away is not a option for you ladies you have come so far so can not be bullied or harrassed by anybody you just need the support that you so deserve in numbers. about an hour ago · Like · 4
Maxine Rathbone STAY!! We joined your group because we believe in you and we support you! Stamp out these bullies, I for one certainly REFUSE to be bullied by these mindless people!!! Your doing a fantastic job,and I for one applaud you... Who else will try and protect the victims. Well done to you both. Xxx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 7
Sonia Lanzon Stay, let's show them they can't scare any of us, we have to stick together. He must feel like the big man, trying to scare people from behind a computer screen. We cannot allow any type of bully, to win xx about an hour ago · Like · 3
Fiona Moore Please stay xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Rita Simpson Stay! about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 1
Lori Crandall Brendgard Please stay. I adore you both and there is no force on earth that could make me walk away from supporting you. You are brilliant. xx 44 minutes ago · Like · 1
Jodie LeNormand Stay, this is only the beginning of the Facebook page. He's riled, he really did cry at your picture ;-) 42 minutes ago · Like · 2
Jacqueline Bolton please stay so many would miss you and don't you think its time we stopped letting them win and live rent free in our heads 15 minutes ago · Like · 1
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Phoenix-Post/277864982268035
More Evidence
"The Phoenix Post
26 minutes ago
Experts in the stalking field advise never to feed the beast, never give stalkers the information or attention they crave. The police advise that the only way to stop this, is for us to make a formal police complaint of harassment."
*****
Comment:
That is all one should do, if one believes something illegal is occurring. We support this position, 100%.
Of course, one will require evidence and 'crying wolf' is a story all should consider.
*****
"The OSC advises its perverted stalkers to force their victims into making a formal police complaint in order to secure more of the victim's private information. They use a tried and trusted method called - wait till the police and CPS have completed full disclosure of all the documents and evidence (as required by law) then sack the legally aided solicitor and become their own legal counsel, forcing the police, CPS and the sacked solicitors to give the offender (now acting as their own legal counsel) full legal disclosure of all the documents and evidence, which could include things like family details and medical records. The police could not assure us that this would not happen, we have families and children to protect. What would you do?"
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2 people like this.
Jodie LeNormand Call their bluff...Because without correct legal representation they face a lengthy prison sentence.....Checkmate.. 51 minutes ago · Like · 4
Rita Simpson That's ridiculous! 50 minutes ago via Mobile · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post They would get so much out of having someone like Sara in court, they would use her to grandstand their awful twisted thinking Shyx 38 minutes ago · Like
Jodie LeNormand Under what premise could that EVER happen? 37 minutes ago · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post If Sara is forced to make a complaint to police she would have to appear as a witness in a public criminal court that they would exploit to the full to get their vile pro-paedophile messages across. 33 minutes ago · Like
The Phoenix Post I don't want to be used as a pro-paedophile platform Sarax 32 minutes ago · Like
Rita Simpson How would they do that just out of interest? I don't know that much about these things. Sorry if it's obvious x 25 minutes ago via Mobile · Like
Sarah Mcgeachy There should be a law stopping that from happening, under NO circumstance should these foul people EVER be allowed to get hold of this information what on earth is this world coming to? And you wonder why so many people keep quiet grrrr it makes me soooo angry x 23 minutes ago via Mobile · Like · 1
Jodie LeNormand He wouldn't get the opportunity to defend the content and create propaganda. He would have to either agree or deny that he did it. Ive read his Paedogeddon, and actually he's terrified of a public confrontation which is why he trolls. He's just a coward that even people on his webspace don't like. The Chemist hasn't really thought this through. His one in ten graph is accurate, however I think he forgot that leaves nine in ten who detest what he is. He'd better think up a new formula.... 22 minutes ago · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post Disagree with you there, he feeds into the vast OSC network that attracts even more abuse from even more abusive perverts who do publish legally protected documents all over the web, the last we can remember was the Operation Ore lists.. 13 minutes ago · Like
Jodie LeNormand I'm an all or nothing girl. Either they get ignored and we create a vacuum, or we let them show their troll claws. That way they get convicted. Either they can implode or explode. 3 minutes ago · Like
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Phoenix-Post/277864982268035
More to come, we expect.
"The Phoenix Post
about an hour ago
We have reported this harassment to the police, google and facebook, they have not responded to us or taken any action to protect us from it. This convicted sex offender has always targeted Shy and I, but now he's blatantly targeting all those who follow and support us. I'm sure the intent is to isolate us and scare you away, but whatever the intent, we felt we had to tell you and let you decide how we should proceed. Should we stay or should we close?"
*****
Comment:
Not at all, please stay open.
Our intention is to share your public words and tactics, as widely as possible.
Legal, honest, free, speech is a good thing, perhaps you and Mr France should practise it, 100%.
*****
Like · Comment · Share
13 people like this.
Jan Alexander What ever you do never give up! 2 hours ago · Like · 5
Denise Jones please stay. 2 hours ago · Like · 5
Allison Bradford Stay most defiantly , we are behind you , u need to stand up to bullies xx 2 hours ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Minnie Knowles Stay!! Stand up and fights!!! X about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Lisa Clarke Was Whitehall definitely stay, cannot let "people" like that win. about an hour ago · Like · 3
Lorraine Orange They are sick idiots with way too much time on their hands. Stay! X about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 2
Mandy Francis stay stay stay! would never give them the luxury of scaring me! about an hour ago · Like · 2
Louise Lightbody Deakin Stay, they wont win this time x about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 4
Sarah Mcgeachy Stay, if you close now they win and there's no way we will let that happen xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Laura Spirelass Batterham Stay.. if you close they win.. there r a lot more supporters than their r these pathetic excuses for existence.. stay !!!xxx about an hour ago · Like · 3
Jo-anne Rose As all of the above STAY! Why on earth would we want you to go and let them win again. They have taken enough. They cant and wont have any more. xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Sarah Taylor Fox Walking away is not a option for you ladies you have come so far so can not be bullied or harrassed by anybody you just need the support that you so deserve in numbers. about an hour ago · Like · 4
Maxine Rathbone STAY!! We joined your group because we believe in you and we support you! Stamp out these bullies, I for one certainly REFUSE to be bullied by these mindless people!!! Your doing a fantastic job,and I for one applaud you... Who else will try and protect the victims. Well done to you both. Xxx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 7
Sonia Lanzon Stay, let's show them they can't scare any of us, we have to stick together. He must feel like the big man, trying to scare people from behind a computer screen. We cannot allow any type of bully, to win xx about an hour ago · Like · 3
Fiona Moore Please stay xx about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 3
Rita Simpson Stay! about an hour ago via Mobile · Like · 1
Lori Crandall Brendgard Please stay. I adore you both and there is no force on earth that could make me walk away from supporting you. You are brilliant. xx 44 minutes ago · Like · 1
Jodie LeNormand Stay, this is only the beginning of the Facebook page. He's riled, he really did cry at your picture ;-) 42 minutes ago · Like · 2
Jacqueline Bolton please stay so many would miss you and don't you think its time we stopped letting them win and live rent free in our heads 15 minutes ago · Like · 1
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Phoenix-Post/277864982268035
More Evidence
"The Phoenix Post
26 minutes ago
Experts in the stalking field advise never to feed the beast, never give stalkers the information or attention they crave. The police advise that the only way to stop this, is for us to make a formal police complaint of harassment."
*****
Comment:
That is all one should do, if one believes something illegal is occurring. We support this position, 100%.
Of course, one will require evidence and 'crying wolf' is a story all should consider.
*****
"The OSC advises its perverted stalkers to force their victims into making a formal police complaint in order to secure more of the victim's private information. They use a tried and trusted method called - wait till the police and CPS have completed full disclosure of all the documents and evidence (as required by law) then sack the legally aided solicitor and become their own legal counsel, forcing the police, CPS and the sacked solicitors to give the offender (now acting as their own legal counsel) full legal disclosure of all the documents and evidence, which could include things like family details and medical records. The police could not assure us that this would not happen, we have families and children to protect. What would you do?"
Like ·Comment · Share
2 people like this.
Jodie LeNormand Call their bluff...Because without correct legal representation they face a lengthy prison sentence.....Checkmate.. 51 minutes ago · Like · 4
Rita Simpson That's ridiculous! 50 minutes ago via Mobile · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post They would get so much out of having someone like Sara in court, they would use her to grandstand their awful twisted thinking Shyx 38 minutes ago · Like
Jodie LeNormand Under what premise could that EVER happen? 37 minutes ago · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post If Sara is forced to make a complaint to police she would have to appear as a witness in a public criminal court that they would exploit to the full to get their vile pro-paedophile messages across. 33 minutes ago · Like
The Phoenix Post I don't want to be used as a pro-paedophile platform Sarax 32 minutes ago · Like
Rita Simpson How would they do that just out of interest? I don't know that much about these things. Sorry if it's obvious x 25 minutes ago via Mobile · Like
Sarah Mcgeachy There should be a law stopping that from happening, under NO circumstance should these foul people EVER be allowed to get hold of this information what on earth is this world coming to? And you wonder why so many people keep quiet grrrr it makes me soooo angry x 23 minutes ago via Mobile · Like · 1
Jodie LeNormand He wouldn't get the opportunity to defend the content and create propaganda. He would have to either agree or deny that he did it. Ive read his Paedogeddon, and actually he's terrified of a public confrontation which is why he trolls. He's just a coward that even people on his webspace don't like. The Chemist hasn't really thought this through. His one in ten graph is accurate, however I think he forgot that leaves nine in ten who detest what he is. He'd better think up a new formula.... 22 minutes ago · Like · 1
The Phoenix Post Disagree with you there, he feeds into the vast OSC network that attracts even more abuse from even more abusive perverts who do publish legally protected documents all over the web, the last we can remember was the Operation Ore lists.. 13 minutes ago · Like
Jodie LeNormand I'm an all or nothing girl. Either they get ignored and we create a vacuum, or we let them show their troll claws. That way they get convicted. Either they can implode or explode. 3 minutes ago · Like
https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Phoenix-Post/277864982268035
More to come, we expect.
The Ultimate OSC Win
One day, not far away now, the disgusting actions carried out against Dr Oldfield (and many others) will be a recognised hate crime, and dangerous hacks, such as Mr France, will become another media dinosaur, following in the vacuous footsteps of the seedy publications he worked for.
The irony will not be lost, that it was enabled by The Sun and those that employ them (and are paid by them) as media thugs.
The irony will not be lost, that it was enabled by The Sun and those that employ them (and are paid by them) as media thugs.
How Rupert Murdoch Exploits Ms Payne - Sort Of
The News of The Word = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
The Sun = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
19 January 2012 Last updated at 20:20
Phone hacking: Jude Law, Lord Prescott and Sara Payne get payouts
"Jude Law Law's phone was hacked repeatedly between 2003 and 2006 Jude Law and Lord Prescott are among the latest people given payouts over phone hacking by the News of the World. Actor Law received the highest payout of £130,000 ($200,000). The ex-deputy PM got £40,000, the High Court heard. Sara Payne, mother of murdered schoolgirl Sarah, and Shaun Russell, whose wife and daughter were murdered in 1996, were given undisclosed sums.
News International apologised in court but later said senior staff knew nothing about the wrongdoing ....."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16629036
Jude Law and other high-profile phone hacking payouts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16634644
Paedophiles raid child abuse campaigner’s site and post sick threat messages to supporters
"Sara Payne, and little Sarah who was murdered by sex beast Roy Whiting in 2000
Targeted ... Sara Payne, and little Sarah who was murdered by sex beast Roy Whiting in 2000
Exclusive
By ANTHONY FRANCE - The Sun
Published: Today at 00:03
SICK paedophile trolls are trying to sabotage a Facebook page set up by Sarah Payne’s mum Sara to help child abuse victims.
They are placing vile posts on it showing they know the names of many of her supporters, including some who have been targeted by perverts ....."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4268021/Paedophiles-raid-Sarah-Paynes-site-and-post-sick-messages.html
The News of The Word = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
The Sun = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
Comment:
This concerns us and should concern readers too.
The Sun = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
19 January 2012 Last updated at 20:20
Phone hacking: Jude Law, Lord Prescott and Sara Payne get payouts
"Jude Law Law's phone was hacked repeatedly between 2003 and 2006 Jude Law and Lord Prescott are among the latest people given payouts over phone hacking by the News of the World. Actor Law received the highest payout of £130,000 ($200,000). The ex-deputy PM got £40,000, the High Court heard. Sara Payne, mother of murdered schoolgirl Sarah, and Shaun Russell, whose wife and daughter were murdered in 1996, were given undisclosed sums.
News International apologised in court but later said senior staff knew nothing about the wrongdoing ....."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16629036
Jude Law and other high-profile phone hacking payouts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16634644
Paedophiles raid child abuse campaigner’s site and post sick threat messages to supporters
"Sara Payne, and little Sarah who was murdered by sex beast Roy Whiting in 2000
Targeted ... Sara Payne, and little Sarah who was murdered by sex beast Roy Whiting in 2000
Exclusive
By ANTHONY FRANCE - The Sun
Published: Today at 00:03
SICK paedophile trolls are trying to sabotage a Facebook page set up by Sarah Payne’s mum Sara to help child abuse victims.
They are placing vile posts on it showing they know the names of many of her supporters, including some who have been targeted by perverts ....."
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4268021/Paedophiles-raid-Sarah-Paynes-site-and-post-sick-messages.html
The News of The Word = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
The Sun = News Corporation = Rupert Murdoch
Comment:
This concerns us and should concern readers too.
When Survivor's Fight Amongst Themselves - 1
Hotting up over at TPP and CHRIS .....
We emailed The Sun .....
Hoorah for Shy and Sara !!! How you like them apples, Chris? You got that, The Sun?
"The Overlord"
talkback@the-sun.co.uk
04/18/2012 10:21 PM
The Phoenix Post
about an hour ago
Phoenix Admin Postbag - Please do not ask the Phoenix Post team to
support Chris Wittwer - he lied to and about Shy and Sara, he abused,
bullied and harassed them causing them enormous distress. It has been a
very difficult time for the ladies, but they are determined not to be
bullied silent by anyone. They do not support what this man is doing,
they want nothing to do with him and have nothing further to say about
the matter. Hope this helps. Ends
http://groups.google.com/group/uk.legal/browse_thread/thread/2b69768d9ca97d80?hl=en#
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OSC
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Chris Wittwer
23 hours ago
Facebook is more and more like the Jeremy Kyle show everyday. People with nothing better to do than slag others off, or slander them. Greatttttttttttt...........
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54 people like this.
http://www.facebook.com/stylz123
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Yes, Mr Chris Wittwer, pride of The Sun, is in some trouble ..... no reply or piece in The Sun, it appears.
We note quite a lot of hypocrisy, in this story.
We emailed The Sun .....
Hoorah for Shy and Sara !!! How you like them apples, Chris? You got that, The Sun?
"The Overlord"
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Chris Wittwer
23 hours ago
Facebook is more and more like the Jeremy Kyle show everyday. People with nothing better to do than slag others off, or slander them. Greatttttttttttt...........
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54 people like this.
http://www.facebook.com/stylz123
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When Survivors Attack - 1
The Issue - Prejudice and Persecution
Let us consider the ethical position, of Ms Payne and Ms Keenan .....
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The Phoenix Post team warmly welcomes your support and your views.
We are a law abiding peaceful people who come with a few rules of our own, we do not tolerate saboteurs or support violent vigilantes or their supporters.
Please be advised that our FB pages often close at night and are always monitored by our admin team, please do not FB message disclosures or private information to our FB admin team.
Anyone can like our pages, but only our FB friends can post onto our FB pages - https://www.facebook.com/Thephoenixpost
We sincerely don't mean to offend anyone, but we do not welcome angry ranting or foul mouthed posts. We all want real progressive debate, with real words, to help bring about some much needed real change, so please use your words and help us to keep on topic.
Removed posts.
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3/ Please NO disclosing sex crime details on the page or to the admin team.
4/ Do not identify those with legal rights to victim anonymity.
5/ Do not identify actual or alleged paedophiles.
6/ Do not use foul, violent, homophobic, raciest ‘pro or anti’ religious language in your posts or profile pictures.
7/ No offence is ever intended, but for balance, flow and relevance - not all posts will make it onto the page and we reserve the right to remove any post or FB friend - without explanation.
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9/ PLEASE DON'T POST IN ‘ALL CAPITALS’ IT'S LIKE BEING SHOUTED AT AND WHO LIKES THAT!?
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RE: FB PROFILE PICTURES: With sincere respect, we prefer to see who we are talking to, but understands why some can’t. However, this is Facebook, not arsebook, titbook or swearbook 'so please' go easy with the profile pictures.
understands why some can’t. However, this is Facebook, not arsebook, titbook or swearbook 'so please' go easy with the profile pictures.
IMPORTANT NOTE: The Online Sex offender Community (or OSC) are an ever present danger. We do not want or welcome any kind of contact from any sex offenders or their supporters. Any harassment or abuse will be reported to the relevant authorities - without hesitation or exception.
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Our mission; To build a trusted victim's voice that positively represents the amazing Phoenix community.
1/Build a safe online platform for the victim's voice - The Phoenix Post.com.
2/Protect that voice from sabotage.
3/Secure no-strings sponsorship to make it all that it can be.
4/Get that voice heard and included where it matters.
5/Use that voice to educate away the prejudice and positively represent the amazing Phoenix community - The Phoenix Post.com
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The Prejudice
Paedophilia (more recently, 'Paedophilic Disorder'), is an recognised mental disorder, underDSM-V-TR DSM-V and ICD-10, in line with such conditions, as ASPD, Schizophrenia, PTSD etc.
These pieces confirm, the incorporation of this condition, within the Mental Health Act 2007 and the Equality Act 2010.
Paedophilia is a clinical condition, only able to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist and no one else.
Very few of those who have to register under the requirements of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 are Paedophiles and those that are, are to be supported and assisted, not ridiculed.
However, Ms Payne, Ms Keenan and their supporters seem to think otherwise, and it is in direct conflict with their ethical position ...
It is such insensitive, prejudicial and ignorant behavior, which the OSC challenges, day-by-day.
One would not make fun of anyone with any other mental health condition, but these people seem happy to do so.
This is unacceptable in 2012.
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Addendum (10/12/2013)
https://twitter.com/ShyKeenan
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Addendum (29/6/2012)
From Scientific Experts
"People do not choose to be attracted to children or adults any more than they choose to be attracted to males or females.Not all pedophiles are child molesters (or vice versa). Child molesters are defined by their acts; pedophiles are defined by their desires. There are pedophiles and hebephiles who never act on their sexual attraction towards children. They cannot be blamed for what they feel, and they should be supported for the constant self-restraint they must exercise in order to behave ethically."
Dr. Ray Blanchard, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto; Former Head of Clinical Sexology Services in the Law and Mental Health Program of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; Served on the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV and on the DSM-5's Work Group on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders.
"My heart goes out to people to whom nature has given something as powerful and as distracting as a sex drive and no healthy way to express it. Pedophiles are not the only folks in this position, but they are by far the most demonized, regardless of whether they have ever actually caused anyone any kind of harm. There is no known way of turning a pedophile into a nonpedophile. The best we can do is help a person maximize their self-control and to help them build an otherwise happy and productive life."
Dr. James Cantor, Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry of the University of Toronto's Faculty of Medicine, Head of the Law and Mental Health Research Section of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; editor-in-chief of Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment, and a member of the editorial boards of the Journal of Sexual Aggression, The Journal of Sex Research, and Archives of Sexual Behavior.
"We should acknowledge the existence of "good pedophiles," people like you, KIW, who are burdened with a sexual interest in children but who possess the moral sense to resist acting on that interest. It's a lifelong struggle for "good pedophiles," and most manage to succeed without any emotional support—to say nothing of credit—whatsoever."
Dan Savage, author of internationally syndicated relationship and sex advice column Savage Love, in response to letter written by KIW.
"From clinical experience through the German Prevention Project Dunkelfeld (PPD), running since 2005, it is known that there are pedophilic and hebephilic men willing to take on the responsibility for their sexual preference in such manner that they are prepared to go to great lengths in order to prevent child sexual victimization through sexual contacts or the use of child abusive images. According to these experiences it is time to establish this approach in other countries providing therapy for these men to deal with their sexual preference in a way that enables them to develop strategies for the prevention for sexual assault—hands on and on the internet."
Klaus M. Beier, MD, PhD, Professor, Director of Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine, Charite Center for Health and Human Sciences, Charite University Medicine Berlin
"I used to think that almost all pedophiles were destined to molest children, but I've changed my mind. A growing body of research conducted by leading scientists shows that a large proportion of pedophiliac men — maybe a majority—have never touched a child sexually. I have for years felt sympathy for pedophiles and thought that society should do better by them. Such men never choose to be attracted to children or adolescents. They have a burden that most of us do not have, and they should be helped more and demonized less. I used to think that help would likely entail biological treatments, including chemical or surgical castration. Now I think help beyond the biochemical option is vital. Many can resist their urges without it, and we ought to make it easier for them to do the right thing. Making them feel that they are worthless and despised can only make it more difficult for them."
Michael Bailey, Professor, Department of Psychology, Northwestern University
http://www.virped.org/index.php/scientific-experts
Sunday, August 26, 2012
Pedophilia may not be a life choice
"If this science pans out, it means some people are born with a sex drive they must fight their entire lives, through no fault of their own. Imagine being a straight man, for example, and being told your attraction to women is immoral and cannot be acted upon. It must be horrible. And little help is available because laws require therapists and doctors to report anyone they believe poses a threat to children."
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120826/COLUMN01/108269892
Sep 07, 2012 02:45 PM EDT
The Science of Pedophilia: Is It a Sexual Orientation?
"If pedophilia is a sexual orientation, researchers say, no amount of therapy or prison time will help.
On Valentine's Day last year, the Parliament of Canada's Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights held a session in which MPs debated whether they should institute mandatory sentencing laws against sex offenders of two years.
Lolita, originally a novel by Vladimir Nabokov, depicted Humbert Humbert's involvement with his 12-year-old stepdaughter Dolores, who he nicknames Lolita.
There to speak were Dr. Vernon Quinsey, then from Queens University, and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, a retiree from the University of Montreal. Naturally, the subject of therapy entered the discussion, to which Van Gijseghem said,
"When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory. For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small [offense] from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation.""
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11988/20120907/science-pedophilia-sexual-orientation.htm#fKxiBFO7dQ4JDVp1.99
Sep 7, 2012 10:30 AM
Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children
"The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they're also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he'd embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles."
http://gawker.com/5941037/born-this-way-sympathy-and-science-for-those-who--want-to-have-sex-with-children
Pedophilia Is Normal, Because Otherwise It's Abnormal
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/pedophilia_is_normal_because_o.html
What Science Reveals About Pedophilia
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/06/what-science-reveals-about-pedophilia.html
Masking hegemonic masculinity: reconstructing the paedophile as the dangerous stranger
http://shura.shu.ac.uk/604/1/fulltext.pdf
Scientists find brain differences in pedophiles
http://www.dw.de/scientists-find-brain-differences-in-pedophiles/a-16305968-1
Paedophiles could be 'spotted and cured' through MRI scans to detect brain abnormalities and low IQs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2220818/Paedophiles-spotted-cured-MRI-scans-detect-brain-activity-low-IQs.html#ixzz29w1MGOSf
Can Science Spot a Pedophile? Research Zeroes In On Brain Abnormalities
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/19/can-science-spot-a-pedophile-research-zeroes-in-on-brain-abnormalities.html
Published November 28, 2012
No one is born a pedophile
"A recent article on Gawker.com by Cord Jefferson suggests that we could be a more just and healing society were we to consider pedophilia a sexual orientation, rather than simply a crime. He suggests that pedophiles are born with this orientation, just as men might be born with the inherent potential to develop an attraction to adult females, or vice-versa."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/28/no-one-is-born-pedophile/#ixzz2DbWkoOXj
I think that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, just like being gay or straight is.
http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1e5j7a/i_think_that_pedophilia_is_a_sexual_orientation/
Monday, Jan. 13, 2003
Pedophilia
"A psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia merely indicates one's desires; not all pedophiles act on their urges and actually commit child sexual abuse. Plenty of sexual abuse of kids is committed by ordinary people not generally attracted to children. That's one reason the incidence of child sexual abuse is so maddeningly high."
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,232584-1,00.html#ixzz0zwe1OFiH
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Addendum (31/12/2013)
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January 17, 2014
'Friend to the Martyr, a Friend to the Woman of Shame': Thinking About the Law, Shame and Humiliation
"Abstract:
This paper considers the intersection between law, humiliation and shame, and how the law has the capacity to allow for, to encourage, or (in some cases) to remediate humiliation, or humiliating or shaming behavior. The need for new attention to be paid to this question has increased exponentially as we begin to also take more seriously international human rights mandates, especially – although certainly not exclusively – in the context of the recently-ratified United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a Convention that calls for “respect for inherent dignity,” and characterizes "discrimination against any person on the basis of disability [as] a violation of the inherent dignity and worth of the human person.
Keywords:
humiliation, shame, dignity, therapeutic jurisprudence, Scarlet letters, persons with mental disabilities, elders, sex offenders, international human rights law"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2380701
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Addendum (14/1/2014)
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25/1/14
I’m Afraid I’m Might Have Pedophilia
http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapist/2014/01/25/im-afraid-im-might-have-pedophilia
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Friday, March 14, 2014
Can paedophilia [sic] ever be cured?
"Daniel Morcombe, who was murdered by convicted child sex offender Brett Peter Cowan".
http://www.aww.com.au/news-features/news-stories/2014/3/can-paedophilia-ever-be-cured
Let us consider the ethical position, of Ms Payne and Ms Keenan .....
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The Prejudice
Paedophilia (more recently, 'Paedophilic Disorder'), is an recognised mental disorder, under
These pieces confirm, the incorporation of this condition, within the Mental Health Act 2007 and the Equality Act 2010.
Paedophilia is a clinical condition, only able to be diagnosed by a psychiatrist and no one else.
Very few of those who have to register under the requirements of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 are Paedophiles and those that are, are to be supported and assisted, not ridiculed.
However, Ms Payne, Ms Keenan and their supporters seem to think otherwise, and it is in direct conflict with their ethical position ...
It is such insensitive, prejudicial and ignorant behavior, which the OSC challenges, day-by-day.
One would not make fun of anyone with any other mental health condition, but these people seem happy to do so.
This is unacceptable in 2012.
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Addendum (10/12/2013)
https://twitter.com/ShyKeenan
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Addendum (29/6/2012)
From Scientific Experts
"People do not choose to be attracted to children or adults any more than they choose to be attracted to males or females.Not all pedophiles are child molesters (or vice versa). Child molesters are defined by their acts; pedophiles are defined by their desires. There are pedophiles and hebephiles who never act on their sexual attraction towards children. They cannot be blamed for what they feel, and they should be supported for the constant self-restraint they must exercise in order to behave ethically."
Dr. Ray Blanchard, Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Toronto; Former Head of Clinical Sexology Services in the Law and Mental Health Program of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; Served on the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV and on the DSM-5's Work Group on Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders.
"My heart goes out to people to whom nature has given something as powerful and as distracting as a sex drive and no healthy way to express it. Pedophiles are not the only folks in this position, but they are by far the most demonized, regardless of whether they have ever actually caused anyone any kind of harm. There is no known way of turning a pedophile into a nonpedophile. The best we can do is help a person maximize their self-control and to help them build an otherwise happy and productive life."
Dr. James Cantor, Associate Professor in the Department of Psychiatry of the University of Toronto's Faculty of Medicine, Head of the Law and Mental Health Research Section of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health; editor-in-chief of Sexual Abuse: A Journal of Research and Treatment, and a member of the editorial boards of the Journal of Sexual Aggression, The Journal of Sex Research, and Archives of Sexual Behavior.
"We should acknowledge the existence of "good pedophiles," people like you, KIW, who are burdened with a sexual interest in children but who possess the moral sense to resist acting on that interest. It's a lifelong struggle for "good pedophiles," and most manage to succeed without any emotional support—to say nothing of credit—whatsoever."
Dan Savage, author of internationally syndicated relationship and sex advice column Savage Love, in response to letter written by KIW.
"From clinical experience through the German Prevention Project Dunkelfeld (PPD), running since 2005, it is known that there are pedophilic and hebephilic men willing to take on the responsibility for their sexual preference in such manner that they are prepared to go to great lengths in order to prevent child sexual victimization through sexual contacts or the use of child abusive images. According to these experiences it is time to establish this approach in other countries providing therapy for these men to deal with their sexual preference in a way that enables them to develop strategies for the prevention for sexual assault—hands on and on the internet."
Klaus M. Beier, MD, PhD, Professor, Director of Institute of Sexology and Sexual Medicine, Charite Center for Health and Human Sciences, Charite University Medicine Berlin
"I used to think that almost all pedophiles were destined to molest children, but I've changed my mind. A growing body of research conducted by leading scientists shows that a large proportion of pedophiliac men — maybe a majority—have never touched a child sexually. I have for years felt sympathy for pedophiles and thought that society should do better by them. Such men never choose to be attracted to children or adolescents. They have a burden that most of us do not have, and they should be helped more and demonized less. I used to think that help would likely entail biological treatments, including chemical or surgical castration. Now I think help beyond the biochemical option is vital. Many can resist their urges without it, and we ought to make it easier for them to do the right thing. Making them feel that they are worthless and despised can only make it more difficult for them."
Michael Bailey, Professor, Department of Psychology, Northwestern University
http://www.virped.org/index.php/scientific-experts
Sunday, August 26, 2012
Pedophilia may not be a life choice
"If this science pans out, it means some people are born with a sex drive they must fight their entire lives, through no fault of their own. Imagine being a straight man, for example, and being told your attraction to women is immoral and cannot be acted upon. It must be horrible. And little help is available because laws require therapists and doctors to report anyone they believe poses a threat to children."
http://www.telegram.com/article/20120826/COLUMN01/108269892
Sep 07, 2012 02:45 PM EDT
The Science of Pedophilia: Is It a Sexual Orientation?
"If pedophilia is a sexual orientation, researchers say, no amount of therapy or prison time will help.
On Valentine's Day last year, the Parliament of Canada's Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights held a session in which MPs debated whether they should institute mandatory sentencing laws against sex offenders of two years.
Lolita, originally a novel by Vladimir Nabokov, depicted Humbert Humbert's involvement with his 12-year-old stepdaughter Dolores, who he nicknames Lolita.
There to speak were Dr. Vernon Quinsey, then from Queens University, and Dr. Hubert Van Gijseghem, a retiree from the University of Montreal. Naturally, the subject of therapy entered the discussion, to which Van Gijseghem said,
"When we speak of therapy or when individuals get therapy and we feel as though everyone is pacified, the good news is often illusory. For instance, it is a fact that real pedophiles account for only 20% of sexual abusers. If we know that pedophiles are not simply people who commit a small [offense] from time to time but rather are grappling with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality, and if we agree on the fact that true pedophiles have an exclusive preference for children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation, everyone knows that there is no such thing as real therapy. You cannot change this person's sexual orientation.""
http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/11988/20120907/science-pedophilia-sexual-orientation.htm#fKxiBFO7dQ4JDVp1.99
Sep 7, 2012 10:30 AM
Born This Way: Sympathy and Science for Those Who Want to Have Sex with Children
"The old adage is that the true mark of a society is how it treats the weakest in its ranks. Blacks, women, Latinos, gays and lesbians, and others are still in no way on wholly equal footing in America. But they're also not nearly as lowly and cursed as men attracted to children. One imagines that if Jesus ever came to Earth, he'd embrace the poor, the blind, the lepers, and, yes, the pedophiles."
http://gawker.com/5941037/born-this-way-sympathy-and-science-for-those-who--want-to-have-sex-with-children
Pedophilia Is Normal, Because Otherwise It's Abnormal
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/02/pedophilia_is_normal_because_o.html
What Science Reveals About Pedophilia
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/12/06/what-science-reveals-about-pedophilia.html
Masking hegemonic masculinity: reconstructing the paedophile as the dangerous stranger
http://shura.shu.ac.uk/604/1/fulltext.pdf
Scientists find brain differences in pedophiles
http://www.dw.de/scientists-find-brain-differences-in-pedophiles/a-16305968-1
Paedophiles could be 'spotted and cured' through MRI scans to detect brain abnormalities and low IQs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2220818/Paedophiles-spotted-cured-MRI-scans-detect-brain-activity-low-IQs.html#ixzz29w1MGOSf
Can Science Spot a Pedophile? Research Zeroes In On Brain Abnormalities
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/19/can-science-spot-a-pedophile-research-zeroes-in-on-brain-abnormalities.html
Published November 28, 2012
No one is born a pedophile
"A recent article on Gawker.com by Cord Jefferson suggests that we could be a more just and healing society were we to consider pedophilia a sexual orientation, rather than simply a crime. He suggests that pedophiles are born with this orientation, just as men might be born with the inherent potential to develop an attraction to adult females, or vice-versa."
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/28/no-one-is-born-pedophile/#ixzz2DbWkoOXj
I think that pedophilia is a sexual orientation, just like being gay or straight is.
http://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1e5j7a/i_think_that_pedophilia_is_a_sexual_orientation/
Monday, Jan. 13, 2003
Pedophilia
"A psychiatric diagnosis of pedophilia merely indicates one's desires; not all pedophiles act on their urges and actually commit child sexual abuse. Plenty of sexual abuse of kids is committed by ordinary people not generally attracted to children. That's one reason the incidence of child sexual abuse is so maddeningly high."
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,232584-1,00.html#ixzz0zwe1OFiH
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Addendum (31/12/2013)
Not saying UK pro-paedo pol party or legal protection under the disability act currently exists, I'm showing you #OSC #PIE working at it
— Shy Keenan (@ShyKeenan) December 29, 2013
(Embedded Tweet - click date)*****
January 17, 2014
'Friend to the Martyr, a Friend to the Woman of Shame': Thinking About the Law, Shame and Humiliation
"Abstract:
This paper considers the intersection between law, humiliation and shame, and how the law has the capacity to allow for, to encourage, or (in some cases) to remediate humiliation, or humiliating or shaming behavior. The need for new attention to be paid to this question has increased exponentially as we begin to also take more seriously international human rights mandates, especially – although certainly not exclusively – in the context of the recently-ratified United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, a Convention that calls for “respect for inherent dignity,” and characterizes "discrimination against any person on the basis of disability [as] a violation of the inherent dignity and worth of the human person.
Keywords:
humiliation, shame, dignity, therapeutic jurisprudence, Scarlet letters, persons with mental disabilities, elders, sex offenders, international human rights law"
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2380701
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Addendum (14/1/2014)
@XenoPoesis @awomaninwinter The contradiction in my 1st tweet.. The quotes = incompatible & 'paedophile' warps public understanding/response
— Craig Harper (@CraigHarper19) January 13, 2014
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25/1/14
I’m Afraid I’m Might Have Pedophilia
http://psychcentral.com/ask-the-therapist/2014/01/25/im-afraid-im-might-have-pedophilia
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Friday, March 14, 2014
Can paedophilia [sic] ever be cured?
"Daniel Morcombe, who was murdered by convicted child sex offender Brett Peter Cowan".
http://www.aww.com.au/news-features/news-stories/2014/3/can-paedophilia-ever-be-cured
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